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Is there a lack of ambition at Saints?

Yet again I find myself apologising for a lack of posts of late, but I am currently working on a very exciting Saints related project and that is occupying my spare time.

Anyway, of late it seems that there are somewhat of a split amongst Saints fans, and the use of certain buzz words to describe each faction is commonplace in the corner of the internet that is associated with the club.

You’ve all heard them, ‘happy clapper’, used to describe someone who looks to the positive aspects of everything and ‘bed wetter’ aimed at those whose Saints mug from the club shop is permanently half empty.

Personally, I like to think I am in the middle, and am willing to see both sides of the coin, the trappings of which mean I have had both titles aimed at me.

I’ve debated with plenty on twitter about whether the club is being run well or not and there are many who have a different point of view to mine. A lot of them are incapable of having that debate without resorting to personal insults or aggressive posturing. In James George though I find that although we often (pretty much always) have an opposing take on things happening at St. Mary’s we are able to discuss it like adults. That’s why I invited him to put his thoughts online, and to each of his points I will make a retort, hopefully leading to us covering most bases and giving alternative views.

Over to you James….

JG  There is no doubt that since Markus Liebherr saved Saints in 2009, we have all been on an amazing journey. With the ambitious Nicola Cortese at the helm the 5 year plan to get to the Premier League was achieved in just 3 seasons! Yes Cortese had his faults and also some random ideas. (Banning the press, getting rid of the red and white stripes and sacking Nigel Adkins being just a few.) but he was the driving force behind the scenes. My inside information tells me Cortese had no control over the club’s finances and the signings of Ramirez and Osvaldo were two of the least successful over the last few years, but you could never doubt his ambition and his determination to get the club to as high as it could possibly go.’

CR ‘This is where we no doubt agree, although I’m not sure Cortese was the only reason the club was succeeding. Astute managerial appointments and transfer window moves that would have been committee based decisions (let’s not forget this was Cortese’s first ever role in football).

JG ‘Cortese obviously wanted full control of the club and when Markus passed away and Katarina took over, she was no longer willing to let him run wild. Whilst she obviously wanted to continue her Father’s legacy she also wasn’t willing to let Cortese have an open cheque book. Cortese left but the structure he had built lived on and the club has somehow continued to improve every season.

CR ‘I think the clash came because the Liebherr family wanted the club to be sustainable and Cortese wanted to borrow to push the club has hard as he could to success. So many clubs have gone belly up because of trying to be too much too soon, personally I can see why there was an air of caution. Somehow? It isn’t a coincidence, continued progression is down to the meticulous nature behind the scenes.’

JG ‘Cortese was a stubborn man and would never be pushed around by anyone, least of all the players and agents. He sold Oxlade-Chamberlain but it was for a good fee and there was no way of keeping a player of his quality whilst we were still in the lower leagues. But there was no way he would of allowed the club to sell so many of it’s best players over the last 3 years.’

CR ‘Arguably he was pushed around by Chamberlain’s father, and in modern terms £12 million for AOC doesn’t come across as a fantastic deal on Saints part. It’s easy to say he wouldn’t have let players leave, but actually we didn’t see him really tested.’

JG ‘In 2014 Ralph Krueger was installed as Chairman. An Ice Hockey coach who thought football involved wearing a helmet and the quarter back was the main man. I still remember his big speech in May 2014 when we made big claims that we were not a selling club and we would not be selling our best players.’

CR ‘Pure conjecture on your part there James, with regards to Ralph Krueger’s opinions on football. Some might say that he was more qualified than Cortese, given that he was from a sporting background. I agree on the ‘selling club’ speech, it was unwise, Saints have always been so and it is difficult to escape it.’

JG ‘Pochettino who replaced Adkins in bizarre circumstances was an amazing appointment by Cortese and was obviously destined for the top of the game. The players obviously respected him and letting him go to Tottenham was obviously a bad move.’

CR ‘It was an amazing appointment, though none of us thought it at the time. I take exception to the statement that he was obviously destined for the top of the game. That sounds like hindsight talking. None of us knew who he was, and he was just off the back of almost getting Espanyol relegated!’

JG ‘Since then we have sold every single one of our best players.’

CR ‘This is nothing new where Saints are concerned. It happened long before the Liebherr administration was involved. With the exception of Le Tiss, anyone who has ever played for us that you would consider top quality has moved on to bigger clubs for more money. It seems more prevalent now because, due to the success of the Liebherr era and the work behind the scenes, we have a higher percentage of great players!’

JG ‘That summer Lallana, Lovren, Chambers, Lambert, Shaw and even the mighty Guly all left. Yes, we got decent money for them but it was selling all of these players that has set a precedent for years to come. Morgan Schneiderlin wanted out. He had seen all of his friends move on to bigger clubs for more wages and so why would he and others want to stay?’

CR ‘It’s always difficult to take a spate of top players leaving, I agree, but let’s be pragmatic. Of that list, which of them starts for Saints now? It doesn’t take long. Lallana. Finished. I’m not saying they aren’t good players, I’m saying that the club has done a good job of recruiting when it let’s players go (don’t mention centre halves though at the moment) and actually improving the squad.’

JG ‘Then Southampton made a genius appointment. Ronald Koeman! One of the greatest players ever to have played the game walks through the door. Half the team had been sold and we were tipped for relegation. There’s no doubt the club had a great scouting network and bought some real gems. Under Koeman the club managed to improve once more but once again big name players left that summer.’

CR ‘Let’s be clear on something here. Koeman didn’t walk through the door of his own accord. He was offered the job after a recruitment drive and spell of due diligence by Les Reed and the board. The same people that are vilified for letting people go, are the same people who make these great managerial appointments and sign these players in the first place.’

JG ‘Koeman once again worked his magic and even with a dreadful run through November and December we managed to get our highest ever Premier League finish, sixth, only 3 points from qualifying for the Champions League. Yet again though the board let an amazing manager leave and more of our top players go that Summer! You can start seeing a pattern here.’

CR ‘It’s a long warn out argument, but Koeman left because he thought he could hold the board to ransom. He did a fantastic job for us, but when it came down to it, in modern football money talks, and a man who had talked of the Dutch national team and Barcelona ended up going to Everton, a club who have a very similar glass ceiling to us.’

JG ‘It seems as if the club is now only being run so that we maintain out Premier League status and the value of the club goes up. Very much like Newcastle. We only buy players with player sales and the hundreds of millions earned from TV money seems to be going in the owners back pocket. We fall in love with a player and the next summer they leave. The club claims it doesn’t want to buy too many players so we don’t block a route to first team football for youth players, but its seems they just want to play youth players to sell them on for a bigger profit. It just doesn’t feel as if the owners want the club to win so the fans can enjoy success. They just want us to win so the players value go up and we can sell them for more profit.’

CR ‘Where to start with this! I don’t think we are anything like Newcastle. They have a huge fanbase and still get it so wrong in terms of Managerial appointments and player recruitment. In fact we are the anti-Newcastle, punching well above our weight, while they play the roll of the well supported journeyman who occasionally gets put on his arse! I’m not sure there is any evidence that the owners are pocketing any money, in fact I’m pretty sure (but prepared to be corrected) that the club owes them money based on the last accounts? I’m not sure if the club is playing moneyball or if we are just victims of our own success but yes it is frustrating to see the top players leave. It is always to clubs with bigger resources than us though, and until we can compete with them on the pitch and in terms of numbers through the turnstiles I’m not sure how this could ever change. Player power is paramount.

JG ‘We are just a stepping stone for players now. They aren’t coming to the club to win things. Players are coming to the club to get first team football and get a bigger move. We had a group of players and a scouting network which had the potential to challenge and possibly win the league. But that opportunity was lost and now any player who is half decent is going to want to leave.’

CR ‘I’m afraid we always were. This says more about the attitudes of the modern player than it does the club for me. If the potential to win the league was there why didn’t they all stay and try and achieve it? If we win on the 26th February there will be a delicious irony that Steven Davis will have won a trophy before pretty much all of those that have left in recent years.’

JG ‘I will always support my club and the journey from League One was the best years of football in my lifetime, but I’m not sure when I will allow myself to fall in love with a Saints player again. I just know they will only break my heart and leave. I personally feel new owners are a must. Owners with the ambition of Cortese could take this club to the next step. Yes, I know we were in League One and Le Tissier single handedly kept us in the Premier League for years, but even now we have the potential to be something greater. We have potentially the best centre half in the world, a great left back and few other decent players too. There are some very good youth players and we have proven we can sign top class talent. So lets not sell everyone again this summer. Lets keep what we have and invest in top talent.’

CR ‘Glad to hear it! My tip is don’t fall in love with any player, they are in the main money motivated individuals, even if we won the league they would still be interested in doubling their wages at Man City. With regards to new owners, the interest from China is certainly intriguing, but be careful what you wish for. In terms of foreign ownership we hit the jackpot with Markus Liebherr. There are plenty of fans protesting against the way their clubs are being run due to numerous balmy initiatives taken by their foreign owners. 

JG ‘Why not aim for the sky and see where we finish, rather then just being happy with little old Saints.’

 CR ‘Amen brother. The main difference between me and you is, I think this is what the club is doing and so far so good! See you at Wembley!’

At the end of the day, we are all Saints fans, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Has this season been as exciting as previous ones in league terms, perhaps not, but we do have a cup final coming up! There is too much emphasis on ‘progress’ for me. Personally I would rather finish 15th this season and win that final than lose it and finish 6th, but each to their own.

Thanks a lot to James for sparing the time to put his thoughts across.

Keep the faith.

Chris

St. Mary’s Meals: Saints Foundation Charity Launch!

Last week, having recently made a donation to the charity Mary’s Meals via the Saints Foundation I was lucky enough to be drawn out of the hat to attend the launch of the two charities partnership at Staplewood. Unfortunately, as I now reside permanently in the desert (Dubai) it was a little difficult for me to get there, but the upshot of that was I was allowed to return a long overdue favour. With Saints in Europe for the first time in over 10 years, I was gutted to be so far away and not involved, so I appealed on twitter for anyone who might fancy picking me up some programmes from the games as a way of having some memorabilia. Paul Dawson messaged me and said he was happy to do it, and I was astounded that this stranger to me was not only pleased to help, but insisted on no financial compensation for his trouble. A truly selfless act, and when the package arrived in the post I was deligthed to find a Saints v Vitesse pin badge included! When I realised I couldn’t attend the event there was only one person I hoped could attend in my place! Over to you Paul! – Chris

After a plea and a tweet from a Saints Fan abroad on the first night of our European adventure back in August, an invitation was kindly offered to Debbie and myself to attend the launch of the Clubs new Charitable partnership with Mary’s Meals at Staplewood. Warmly welcomed by Ralph Krueger, and split into smaller groups by Greg Barker, our tour guide was the Head of Education, (I didn’t take her name as we were a bit giddy by then)! and also we met the Campus Cat along the way, cute thing that took a shine too the Christmas Tree. 
 
We were given the full no holds barred tour, including the Press Conference Room (which also doubles as a team debriefing room due too the 70 seats, ideal for all of the age groups of the team or indeed the 1st team).

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Next up was the corridor down to the changing rooms, which is in the same style as the ‘tunnel’ at St Mary’s, but with the noticeable difference that it has pictures of Saints ‘Legends” Mick Channon, MLT, Matt Oakley, Franny, Kevin Keegan and Peter Shilton ect. but also had the Hydro Pool, and showers, and of course the hairdryer!

The first team’s changing room, has no apparent segregation, as the club try to encourage togetherness and it helps with banter! As we were allowed to nose and poke around all of the changing rooms, it was noticeable that the younger of the age groups rooms were the tidiest, with the first teams room being very reminiscent of ‘teenagers bedrooms’!
At the end of the corridor was the boot room, and while it stank of wet grass and sweaty feet (think of a Ski hire shop smell x 10, and you’re still not even close)! Cedrić and Clasie’s feet are the smallest I have ever seen on a grown man!

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Just around the corner was ‘Kitman Forbsey’s’ place of work, and he gave an insightful speech about the amount of kit they wash each day (around 300 per day), and how they wash and clean Goalkeepers Gloves – and as the camera was snapping away we found the clubs underpants!


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Next we were taken upstairs too the Under 21’s and below canteen, with the sofa’s, TV’s, pool tables, and the explanation that they were not allowed into the 1st team’s canteen, they had to earn the right to enter that canteen! Into the first team canteen, which was almost the same, but bigger maybe and with more comfortable seats! Also on the wall of the Kids canteen was the list of some of the ex-players that have passed through the system.

Then through into the corridor where all of the coaches, and Ronald’s office is – and the Director of Football etc. and the analysis office, which has the fabled ‘black box’ room, while very well publicised it was obviously turned off!

We then braved the weather and trooped down too the area that hosts the Foundation, Education and all of the kids needs, which is about too be moved when the next phase of the building work gets underway.
The placements of all of the individual pitches was explained, how the kids progress around the campus, ending up on the first team pitch. We were also given access to the ‘dome’, the new indoor structure for the all weather training (there were a group of under 13’s training, and also colder inside than it was outside.  What was nice was that they all came over too our group and shook our hands and said ‘hello’, as all of the kids going through the system are expected to shake everybody’s hands they meet for the first time that day and say Hello, (a bit like the first team do on the Matchday Uncovered videos), and that was really nice too see, and all of the kids looked at ease doing so.

Back into the main pavilion, via the hallway too all of the changing rooms, and there was a batch of urine samples sat on the side(!), see pic, upstairs too the first team canteen for the launch of the new partnership!

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Ralph and Katherina spoke very passionately about why Mary’s Meals has been chosen to be the club’s foreign charity, and Greg explained how the Saints Foundation would be working and learning alongside Mary’s Meals going forward, I simply can’t do Mary’s Meals and the partnership justice, the best way of doing so is too click the clink and support the cause!

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I know what you did last Summer….

I know what you did last summer. The title of a horror movie of questionable quality and perhaps a statement that may have seemed relevant for the horror that was the previous transfer window for Southampton fans.

If somebody had said to you then that Ronald Koeman would be cementing foundations in his squad during the January window in the hope that they can maintain their position in the top four and potentially qualify for the Champion’s League you would have shipped them off to the madhouse quicker than a dodgy Graeme Souness signed Liberian legend’s family member. But here we are.

Saints made two signings on deadline day, one that will give Koeman a further option in attack and another that won’t change the look of the squad, but will be a signal of their intentions to their challengers for the top four.

Serbian international Filip Djuricic is a skilful player…

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Saints: A Year in Review Part One

Another year almost gone, and another one that has been more than just a ‘roller coaster’ ride for Southampton Football Club.

I thought I would review it in the laziest and most modern way possible, via tweets! Apologies in advance if anyone is made to feel foolish by their historic comments!

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February

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To be continued……

Ralph Krueger: Who is he?

One of the most interesting things amongst the fallout of Nicole Cortese’s Saints departure, was the news that Katherina Liebherr looks set to give a technical advisory role on the board to Ice Hockey coach Ralph Krueger.

Who? Exactly what I said. As somebody who has never been a fan of the sport I had no idea who he was, and I would imagine that was the same for most Saints fans (and the ‘Clive Woodward debacle springing too our minds). To that end, here at georgeweahscousin.com if we don’t know about somebody incoming at the club, we go and finds somebody who does…

Jouni Nieminen is a freelance NHL writer in Finland. Here is what he had to say about Krueger and his coming role with Saints…

Were you surprised to hear that Ralph Krueger is set to take an advisory role on the board of an English Premier League Football Club?

JN: ‘I was not surprised at all. I understand that the owner of Southampton football club lives in Switzerland and knows Ralph who has also lives there for some time now. Ralph is well-known for his talents as motivational speaker and is author of a book on the same subject in Central Europe. Austria, Switzerland, Germany, I believe.’

What is his reputation as a hockey coach like?

JN: ‘Ralph is a very good hockey coach, especially in European hockey and international hockey. Strategically sound. Knows the game inside and out. He gained respect of his native country Canada’s hockey people when he coached the Swiss in the Turin games and they beat the powerhouse team from Canada, something of a miracle.

In the National Hockey League he worked for two years as associate coach and one as head coach of the Edmonton Oilers. He had a very bad, young team to coach. Considering that he did ok. Some thought he was too much of a nice guy, and should have made veteran pros accountable.

As far as reputation, after getting fired from the Edmonton Oilers, the second phone call he took was from Canada’s  Olympic team coach and respected Detroit Red Wings head coach Mike Babcock inviting him to join the Canada coaching team to go to Sochi (the coming winter games). Ralph works as special advisor/advanced scout, specialising in watching the European opponents while getting ready for the games. He was also involved in team selection process which is sometimes more talked about in hockey mad Canada than the games itself.

Ralph Krueger is a very respected man in hockey. Mike Babcock would not call otherwise.’

Ralph Kreugar: Sports Scientist and Motivator.
Ralph Krueger: Sports Scientist and Motivator.

What do you think he can transfer from his experience as a hockey coach to his role with Saints?

JN: ‘Ralph is known for his motivational abilities. Regardless of the sport, he understands the process and can help athletes mental preparation. He can build players confidence in themselves.’

He has a reputation as a motivator, do you have any examples of where this has worked for him?

JN: ‘I think his success with the Swiss national hockey team especially stands as an example. Two Edmonton Oilers hockey players come to mind also. Winger Taylor Hall is one of the premier young talents in the NHL. He had an outstanding season under Ralph, almost an all-star season. Also, goaltender Devan Dubnyk had a good season under Ralph. Both players have not performed the same way after Ralph left, which may have something to do with it. Just an observer’s thought, but there might be something in it. He can make complicated things sound simple.’

Thanks to Jouni for his time on this. It certainly sounds like Krueger will be taking a role in the scouting setup and pre-match preparation at Saints.

For further information, listen to a recent radio interview with Krueger on his role with Team Canada at the Winter Olympics, and briefly on Saints at the end:- https://soundcloud.com/630ched/january-22-inside-sports-hour#t=19:00

He already refers to Saints as ‘we’ and talks about having one of the best Academies in the world. Nice touch.

Chris